Hip Hop artist Lecrae made his second appearance on the very popular and at times controversial Bad Christian Podcast.

On the podcast, Lecrae spoke some of the alienation he is facing for taking a stand on social and political issues on both his platforms and his music. He also spent some time talking about and clearing up previous comments he made about the church and “white evangelicals.”

“I was forced to [speak abrasively to white evangelicals] because no one would listen to me when I was trying to be reasonable,” he said during the podcast. Below is a clip.

Lecrae also spoke about the drop off of attendance at shows in certain areas of the country where he felt his outspokeness hit a nerve.

You can watch the complete podcast below or listen on Soundcloud.

*The hosts of the podcast use some mild profanity throughout*