Lecrae told Desiring God in a video interview which the ministry released this weekend that Romans 8:28 is the biblical promise he turns to the most.

Romans 8:28 reads, “And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.”

“I have to lean on the reality that even if it doesn’t look good to me or feel good to me, God is ultimately being glorified. And in the end, even if it’s not until I’m in heaven, it will work out for my benefit. Even if I don’t realize it until heaven, it will work out for my benefit.

“I just lean on that because life is difficult. Life is hard. It’s complicated. It’s not peachy keen, as I think a lot of people would like to make it seem. It takes a lot of leaning on the hope that is in Jesus. Without that hope, you’re just left to probably go insane; you’re at wit’s end.”

Desiring God has released numerous videos featuring Lecrae’s Reach Records label mate Trip Lee over the past year, the latest of which is on why Christians should talk about race.