In an in-depth interview with VICE, GOOD Music rapper Pusha T told the story of when his brother, No Malice, first came to him about separating their popular duo, the Clipse.

“We were on tour. I was in my room. He just came into my room and gave me his book that he wrote,” Pusha T said. “And I was like, ‘Wow, okay, so now you wrote a book.’ And in my mind, I’m just thinking, ‘As my older brother, you know I can’t write no book, like you’re just trying to stunt on me once again or do something you know I can’t do.'”

The book was Wretched, Pitiful, Poor, Blind and Naked, his brother’s book about becoming a Christian and transitioning from Malice to No Malice.

“He was like, ‘Yo this is what I’m about to dial into, and this is what I want to do, and this is how I feel, and I want you to read it, and you want to be a solo artist anyway, so you probably should pursue that,'” Pusha T said, quoting No Malice.

“I was like, ‘Wow, okay.’ Of course I didn’t think it was real — never thought it was real. We still had more shows to do. We got off the tour, and he was quiet, and I was just doing my thing a little bit. We just had it all mapped out. The offers were so good and so many were coming, and he was 100 percent not doing it.”

No Malice has told Rapzilla that he’s not making another Clipse album. In Aug. 2013, he released his solo debut album, Hear Ye Him.

“I used to be so upset, man,” Pusha T said. “I feel like me and my brother could do whatever we wanted to the rap game — really, just have our way. But then I realized that we’re just not in the same place anymore. He had a family. He had other things going on that he had to answer for. He was so into his convictions, and I just knew where he stood that, when he told me no after I gave him all the break downs and the specs of everything, there was nothing I could say.”

Watch the full Pusha T feature below. A documentary on No Malice’s life titled The End of Malice will be released by I Am Second in the near future.

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